Mainstream Christianity: What's the Use?

How do you feel about this organization of lies?

Posted By Jake_the_Mad on September 12, 2007

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Jake

Christianity expects you to hate man and glorify god while doing it.

Posted By Jake_the_Mad on September 12, 2007

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Down with Organized Religion!

Posted By MoltenWhisper on September 12, 2007

Aprilshowers

Christianity does not dictate we hate man. In fact we are to love our f...

Posted By Perdie on September 20, 2007

Person_60

Spirituality is supposed to be something personal, specific to each person

Posted By ramrod on November 14, 2007

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Spirituality is supposed to be something personal, specific to each person

-- Posted By ramrod on November 14, 2007

When there is someone telling a huge group of people how to be spiritual it kind of takes the point out of it in my opinion. Everyone is different and should be able to get in touch with their spirituality without strict instruction.

Otherwise you are just a sheep and need to be told what to do in order to feel good about yourself. And i guess that works for some people, i just don't see the point. .

I agree, if spirituality is your thing, then it should be YOUR thing. Not the same thing as everyone around you at church.
The people who follow those strict instructions usually agree with them and thats their way of being spiritual. Some people are better off as sheep. whats the big deal? thats just their way of doing it
It's when the sheep start ganging up to stampede everyone that is not-sheep because the not-sheep are not weird in the exact same ways the sheep are that we got problems, as several millennia worth of history can clearly explain to us at even the briefest of glances.
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Jake

Christianity expects you to hate man and glorify god while doing it.

-- Posted By Jake_the_Mad on September 12, 2007

Church congregations are often expected and sometimes required for congregational membership to give money, services and/or favors to their church and it's leaders. Cults operate on the same wavelength. Many bible verses indicate that man is bad, terrible and vile; that man, if allowed to think for him/herself, will screw up, piss off god and be thrown into a laughably improbable lake of fire. Anything claiming to possess the whole, entire truth about life, existence and everything is clearly both lying and idiotic to believe it. The beneficial acts of individual Christians do not validate the distinctly ancient, outmoded practices and magnificently inhumane beliefs and law-structures illustrated in the biblical scripture.

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Define inhuman? Really, you can't say what is bad and what is good WITHOUT something like the bible.
Excuse me, but this is directed to Alice. Are you really saying that the Bible is a legitimate perception of good or bad? Because that automatically makes a huge portion of the world bad since many of us believe that the bible is fictional and nonsensical. Morals are perceived differently by different kinds of people. What a horribly insubstantial argument.
Good an evil are very simple things, and though there may be some inconsistencies from some peoples eyes, people that follow the bible are usually much more "good" than the bitter people who don't
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Down with Organized Religion!

-- Posted By MoltenWhisper on September 12, 2007

Too many factions, too many problems. Why can't we just believe that there is something bigger than us, not attach a name or a specific book, and try to live our lives like a non-dumbass?. I think more and more people are leaning towards non-religious as their reference. The younger generation certainly is. . And organized religion has been the cause of a lot of horrible things in history AND has supported some very questionable activities.

Organized religion has also been the cause of much support during crisis. I bet the Katrina victims were happy to have the support of many randoM different religions. You can't tell me that the bad is all there is.
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Love12

If you are to 'love thy fellow man' why am I supposedly going to hell?

-- Posted By pluto on February 11, 2008

I was five when my brother first told me I was going to hell because I didn't believe in god. The saying has been repeated to me almost everytime I talk to him, and infact many(The total is about twenty five) have told me this. I'm not saying that organised religion is bad, I'm saying that people need to do as they say, not do the opposite of what they believe in.

the truth is you may have never heard! If not here it is! EVERYONE! GOES to HELL!!!! by inheritance from our great parents: Adam & Eve. What you probably weren't told before. Jesus is the only way! to Heaven and God's peace on Earth, according to His love for us!
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Person_60

If Gahndi says it...

-- Posted By hoobajew on July 21, 2008

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

Update:
Gandhi...sorry
Truth is brother there are many perpetrators among us!!!!!!!!!!!!! But there are true and beautiful brothers and sisters that are truly genuine a love people in practical ways. I KNOW PERSONALLY! God loves you and i do too!
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Jake

Exemplification

-- Posted By Jake_the_Mad on July 22, 2008

"I believe in a giant, angry skyman that has commanded me to dash the skulls of all your firstborn because you have angered him. This is perfectly legitimate, because I say it is, and this book I have here says so too; what right have you to argue?

My book says it's true, and this book was written by the Giant Angry Skyman himself. You don't think so? Prove that it wasn't!

And until you can, I'm going to go right along, trumpeting my right to judge you, curse you, look down upon you and dash the skulls of your firstborn until your faith in the Giant Angry Skyman is in-line with how I think it should be.

You don't like that? Tough. The Giant Angry Skyman doesn't like -you-, you heretic. Your opinion isn't worth the stolen breath it's uttered with, and on that thought, you should beg on your hands and knees for the Giant Angry Skyman to forgive you, you worthless scum; you're stealing the air he provisioned for his own use.

Maybe, if you're lucky and you do just like I tell you, the Giant Angry Skyman will overlook you in his Angriness.

Why me? Because I have the Book, haven't I? I have it right here, and no, you will not be permitted to profane it by subjecting it to your unenlightened examinations; you will take it on my Skyman-filled word that it is true, or you'll be cast into the sea of acid, where all heretics are cast when the Skyman, in his infinite wisdom, gets around to judging them.

And you don't want that. Why? Because the Giant Angry Skyman will make sure that you never die while you're in the lake of acid; no no. You will know his wrath forever while you sit there, screaming and bubbling, being forever eaten away but never being permitted to expire.

Take my word for it; you don't want that, and I don't want that for you. Wouldn't it just make more -sense- for you to get in the good graces of the almighty Skyman? Do you -want- to boil forever in a lake of acid? Of course you don't; you need the Skyman's forgiveness to avoid that.

Simple, right? And look, right here in His Authoritative Book, it says that if you do just as the book tells you, you won't be cast into the lake of acid. Instead, you'll get to join the Most Holy Skyman in the High In The Sky place for all eternity, where you can sing, dance and do anything you want, including japing and jeering at those stupid heretics that didn't get in good with the Skyman."

...and that, you mouth-breathing knuckle-dragging sub-sentient wastes of space, is exactly what you sound like to those of us who don't believe a word of your rubbish, or that of your alleged 'holy scripture'.

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"Anti Christianity" is a bit immature.

-- Posted By iverson92 on August 12, 2009

I do not believe in a god nor do i believe in any sort of biblical tales. But i have come to the conclusion that by stooping to the level of criticizing and reasoning with religious thoughts is only to lower your standards for thought. I go to a catholic school and i have come to realize that in my particular situation it is not worthwhile to question certain subjects such as religion. At first i felt that if i did not bring some sort of justice to religious believers i was not completing my duty as a being on this earth. But i then began to realize that by attempting to change or affect any others thoughts, i was only wasting all of my time.

I say, debate this subject when challenged, but do not choose to bring it on yourself because it is a worthless battle with closed minded people.

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From_the_east

I think that this debate is getting blown out of proportion.

-- Posted By eastwind on January 3, 2008

I think that "Jake_the_Mad's" use of words is rather funny. "Christianity expects you to HATE man".... wow, last I heard Christ was teaching love to all and forgiveness to all. I think you mean that Christianity Hates the NATURE of man. I can at least buy into that a little. Any Christian Church will preach dislike towards any natural impulse that will harm another human being. If the nature of man is to kill, then Christianity hates it, if the nature of mankind is to rape when horny, then of course Christianity is against that. But making the statement general to ALL Christians is unfair too. There are Christian Religions are responsible for very tragic actions. There are a lot who aren't, so you can pin your tags on ALL Christian organizations. I think that you tend to find one lie made by an imperfect single human, and assume that ALL of Christianity agrees with him or her. Weather or not it is in the Bible. because of translation and time, the bible has A LOT of imperfections. Its sure isn't in its original form.

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On top of that, you all claim that it is possible to be "good, or that it is possible to live as a "non-dumb ass" without religion. What i ask then is your basis for the definition of good or bad? IS there good or bad? Right or wrong? I think that none of these things can be defined without a Deity. so, really your non-religious people, you aren't good or bad, because what seems good to you could be horrifyingly bad to the person sitting next to you. Some dumbass atheist rapes a girl and says "it felt right to ME", yea, you all can go that way, I think structure is more promising for happiness.
I think your right, how CAN you define what is good and what is bad without an outside opinion?
You can easily define what is good or bad without relying on some imaginary deity. Are people really this weak minded that they cant think for themselves anymore? If something makes you feel guilty, then it is wrong. Society also dictates a certain level of behavior that is enforced by the government. Many of their ideas of right and wrong are simply baffling. The same goes to just about every religion out there trying to say that everyone else is wrong. What you people are trying to do is make everyone think the same. The world is so different because people were brought up and think differently. That is what is beautiful about it! A single mindedness about morals and god could only take away from that beauty. If you cant tell what is right or wrong on your own then will always be walking in the shadows of the people you surround yourself with.
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Jake

*snort*

-- Posted By Jake_the_Mad on April 2, 2009

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/morality-definition/

You're too stupid to use words like 'Morality'. And Christianity -is- bad, and it is not at all just like your really bad strawman about Bush.

Point 1: Allllll the Abrahamic religions; Christianity, Judaism, Island primarily; are rabidly patriarchal, and I am not aware of this having positive impact the first on the slight majority of our affected species; the female half.

Point 2: Allllll the Abrahamic religions are much more concerned, in their comic texts of insecure 'authority', with threatening, scaring and belittling...well, hey, pretty much everything. Except their flavor of 'God'. Hate man, glorify God!

Point 3: I'm dissing archaic religions founded on moral principles arranged by cameljockies and, ever since, used as little more than a social tool of manipulation and psychological warfare.

But as you seem to think that morality is "doing as those around you believe", you're clearly not intelligent enough to grasp any of this.

I suggest -you- Google 'morality'. Study it. Maybe just once? Please?

Ignorant.

I don't know how riled up works yet, so I don't know if you'll see my response, so I'm posting the same here, as well:

Behaviour which is in accordance to the 'code of conduct' is moral, that which is not is immoral. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/immoral
As it says under synonyms: "bad, wicked, dissolute, dissipated, profligate ... Immoral means not moral and connotes evil or licentious behavior ...". And "society" are the people around you not the government, if that's what confused you.
Mister Google doesn't need to teach me things I already know.
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Aprilshowers

Christianity does not dictate we hate man. In fact we are to love our fellow man.

-- Posted By Perdie on September 20, 2007

Regardless of the differences in doctrine, Christians have more in common with each other than differences. Our country isn't going to war over our religious differences. We have a pretty good separation of church and state. While some may want to legislate morality, most people understand faith is an individual thing. Christians have high standards of behavior. It's the non-Christians or the non-practicing Christians who get the publicity and make the rest look bad. .

HUH??? Last I looked loving ones fellow man was forbidden by the church and frowned upon by the state. Marrying him is forbidden by both!

.... what?
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Person_60

I'm not a supporter of any idealistically defined organisation, not even government.

-- Posted By Lucille on March 31, 2009

But the fact is, government and religion (any religion) have guidelines in them. Some are laws, others are commandments. A person can only be a good person, if they integrate the guidelines into their way of thinking. why? because whether you are good or not is not decided by you, but by the people around you, and the only way you can be good is to act accordingly to what people around you believe. It's called morality. Google it.

The main objective of religious institutions and every government is to lead people into unity in which morals are the same for everyone and understood by all, so no 'misunderstandings' can occur.

Judging christianity as bad because a few church officials (just so happens to include the pope) are idiots, is like saying americans are incapable morons because bush is an incapable moron.

Also Jake_the_Mad, the bible was supposedly written by Abraham, not 'the Giant Angry Skyman'. Are you dissing christianity or judaism with your insulting comment, as well? After all, christianity was formed out of judaism, their god is basically the same one. And since you're dissing those two, diss islam, for having the same roots. And then diss every other religion in the world because all of them have gods who punish the bad and reward the good, while you're at it. And afterwards diss government for having the ultimate power in writting laws, deciding who's good, punishing the bad and rewarding the good, just like gods do. Then attack every parent for doing the same to their children when they're bad and when they're good.

Anarchy.

"and the only way you can be good is to act accordingly to what people around you believe. It's called morality. Google it."

-- Never learned how to read, huh. Gosh, that sucks. Here, mister Google would like to teach you something:

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/morality-definition/

Can't be good unless you're doing what everyone around you believes. I lol at you.

Seriously. LAWL!
Behaviour which is in accordance to the 'code of conduct' is moral, that which is not is immoral. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/immoral
As it says under synonyms: "bad, wicked, dissolute, dissipated, profligate ... Immoral means not moral and connotes evil or licentious behavior ...". And "society" are the people around you not the government, if that's what confused you.
Mister Google doesn't need to teach me things I already know.
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Peace

Wow

-- Posted By actorboy08 on February 9, 2009

We really must be living in a world of great sin and evil when the results to Christian or anti-Christian are this much in the favor that it is. Christians have, I agree, made a bad name for themselves over the years. However, the teachings of Jesus have not changed. He taught love and peace for all people. Who would not want that? I guess even the most elite will be deceived.

So love people and be peaceful when you can. You don't need a hate-filled book of spiteful rhetoric and mysogenistic claptrap to justify it. In fact, you're of a much greater quality if you do those things just because you can rather than because some flabbergastingly outdated, misanthropic pile of paper says you'll go to the BadPlace that the Angry Skyman will send you to if you don't.

You're right, actorboy; we live in a world full of violence, ignorance, greed and filthy, shallow, petty cruelty.

Christianity has been the source of, not the answer to, more than it's fair share of that.

Are there christians that are good, kind, loving people? Sure. Speaks highly of their own quality.

Are there non-christians that are good, kind, loving people? Sure. Speaks highlyof their quality too.

Are there christians and non-christians alike that lie, cheat, steal, rape, pillage, malign, deceive and sew nothing but malice that they, themselves, might profit from it? Yes.

Christianity does not cure these things. It never did, it still doesn't and it never will.

It's as fallacious as touting a pill made out of Sawdust as the miracle cure for obesity when taken forty times daily alongside a strict exercise program and a diet, and then attributing all the weight loss to the pill of sawdust.

You really don't need it. It's a placebo.

And no, you're not better off if it 'makes you feel better', because then you're just creating dependency on a crutch; something to blame when things go wrong, something to misplace praise onto when things go right.

Take responsibility for yourself. Your failings are your own; correct them, or seek the help that -is- available in correcting them. Sitting around and praying isn't going to do it.

Your successes? Those are yours too; thank the people that taught you, that teach you, that uphold you for them, and -yourself- for making their bother amount to something.

Think about it.
So love people and be peaceful when you can. You don't need a hate-filled book of spiteful rhetoric and mysogenistic claptrap to justify it. In fact, you're of a much greater quality if you do those things just because you can rather than because some flabbergastingly outdated, misanthropic pile of paper says you'll go to the BadPlace that the Angry Skyman will send you to if you don't.

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