The Existence of God and Heaven

Does God exist and is there a Heaven?

Posted By Hunter2008 on August 13, 2008

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Confederate_sword

A powerful argument against the existence of God

Posted By cantseetheforest on August 16, 2008

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I personally believe He does.

Posted By JacobsGT on August 14, 2008

Karl_marx

santa clause?

Posted By Jarod on August 16, 2008

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God does exist and therefore so does Heaven.

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I personally believe He does.

-- Posted By JacobsGT on August 14, 2008

I have no scientific proof for you, but I believe He exists

God does not exist and therfore neither does Heaven.

Confederate_sword

A powerful argument against the existence of God

-- Posted By cantseetheforest on August 16, 2008

The argument I'm about to reference is sometimes taken as mere wordplay or as some sort of jest, but, taken literally, it is, as far as I can tell, impossible to overcome. I wish I could give proper attribution to the originator of this argument, but I'm clueless; perhaps someone else will know.

Firstly, acknowledge that God is omnipotent (all-powerful; can do anything). Therefore, if a being is not omnipotent, that being cannot be God.

Understanding that, consider the following question: Can God create a stone so heavy that He himself cannot lift it?

A.) If God can create a sufficiently heavy stone such that he does not have the power to lift it, then God is not omnipotent. And since no being which is not omnipotent cannot be God, then God does not exist.

B.) If God does not have the power to create such a stone, then God is likewise not omnipotent. And since no being which is not omnipotent cannot be God, then God does not exist.

In either case, the logical conclusion is that no omnipotent being can exist, and therefore God does not exist.

Of course, this is not some earth-shattering philosophical insight; everyone has the right to believe as he or she chooses. I'm just trying to stick to the realm of facts and logic.

God IS all-powerful, however he is also a free being. because he is free to act on his own will rather than instinct or natural cause and effect, he can choose to create a rock so heavy that he cannot lift it and then choose to lift it. he is also an intelligent being therefore how can we say that he does not just hook it up to a pulley like you or i would do in the situation. lol.
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Karl_marx

santa clause?

-- Posted By Jarod on August 16, 2008

this debate is old and tired. there is no proof that he exists but there is no proof that he doesnt. people used to worship the sun until we figured out what it was. maybe its only a matter of time. as a child i wanted to believe in santa clause but once it was all out in the open it made a lot more sense. heaven is a different story. it can mean different things to different people. no one knows what happens when we die

what do YOU think happens to us when we die? I am only curious. I would like to know what you think.
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