should creationism be banned from classrooms?

some contend creationism is a farce, a religion in disguise. some want to teach the controversy.

Posted By howhow on April 16, 2008

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Confederate_sword

Religious literature is literature, not science

Posted By cantseetheforest on August 16, 2008

Clam

Science is not conclusive either

Posted By ClamMan on April 17, 2008

Person_60

misuderstanding

Posted By emmmapeel82 on August 15, 2008

Person_60

Kids are being fed this crap in church anyway...

Posted By HltrSkltr on August 18, 2008

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ban creationism as it is NOT a science

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The Burden of proof is on you

-- Posted By Steviejeep on August 10, 2008

The Idea that we should confuse the children of this country with anything but the truth is ridiculous. Evolution is proven, it is the answer to the question why are we here, or at least how did we get here. That is not to say all of the questions have been answered, but give the top scientist of the world the credit they are due, they are smarter than you, and this is the best answer they have come up with. If you want your children to know what you believe in, teach it to them at home. The idea of the government teaching your unsupported theory is as ridiculous as saying 2+2=5. It might be what you believe, but the question is 2+2. The answer is 4. If you want your theory taught in science class, some one is going to have to come up with a little more evidence than a highly edited text written by cave men. Intelligent arguments welcome.

Person_60

misuderstanding

-- Posted By emmmapeel82 on August 15, 2008

"Until something can be proven with no doubt, the only fair thing is to provide both arguments and let the student form their own opinion."

This statement represents a misunderstanding of science. You don't "prove" in science. You support. If the support for a concept (like evolution) has a lot of support then you teach it as a working fact. Is science how we are teaching it today an absolute truth? No. It never will be. It's a work in progress.

Further, science is more than just learning a collection of facts. It's a way of thinking, of looking at evidence. Creationism does not fit this. The ideas in creationism don't change because of evidence.

It's not just a matter of burden of proof. Though that is part of it. It's a matter of two very different and incompatible ways of looking at the world.

Confederate_sword

Religious literature is literature, not science

-- Posted By cantseetheforest on August 16, 2008

I see nothing wrong with teaching the Bible as literature . . . but, from the standpoint of education, teaching Judeo-Christian creationism as science is absolutely no different than teaching Hellenistic creationism (the Titans, Zeus, etc.) as science. The Odyssey and the Iliad are literature. So is the Bible. Keep the Bible in literature class.

I've always gotten a hearty chuckle out of the asinine slogan "teach the controversy." The referenced controversy doesn't exist among learned scienists--they might quibble over details in a healthy way, but no peer-reviewed scientist will write a paper in support of creationism. No; the "controversy" is between scientists and religious pedants. That's the controversy.

Person_60

Kids are being fed this crap in church anyway...

-- Posted By HltrSkltr on August 18, 2008

So let them learn the facts in school, the bullshit in church, and then decide for themselves which seems right to them. But we can't let our schools go any further down the crapper than they already are. Teach the facts. Not creationism.

teach the controversy, let students decide

Clam

Science is not conclusive either

-- Posted By ClamMan on April 17, 2008

The science behind evolution is convincing, but not conclusive. Until something can be proven with no doubt, the only fair thing is to provide both arguments and let the student form their own opinion. To do anything else is purely agenda driven.

The theory of gravity doesn't have anything conclusive about it either. Scientists cannot "conclusively" explain why it exists. It doesn't mean I can suddenly decide that it doesn't and start flying...

Very little in cosmological science can be conclusively proven. However, there are considerably more facts about evolution than creationism. Where is the science in creationism? Show me ANY evidence that creationism is science or even possible. The Bible is not a credible source as it is a religious text. What other source does Creationism have?

I might believe in God, but to believe that he snapped his fingers and -poof- man appeared is ludicrous. He created a world with rules and created man by using those rules. I have no problem believing that God guided evolution. But I believe that science of evolution because it is the only one with verifiable facts.
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-- Posted By HOOAH12 on November 26, 2008

our opinion cannot be taught, why can yours be, the teachers should leave it to the parents to teach what they want to teach their children

Wacky

Explain the most accepted teachings (plural)

-- Posted By terminal on April 16, 2008

I think it's important to make sure that people can see both sides of things. This makes a lot more sense than trying to convince on either side.

Okay, if people should see both sides of things, then we should teach alchemy along with chemistry, magic along with physics, astrology along side astronomy, and phrenology along with neurology. The difference between creationism and evolution is that evolution actually has evidence, enough evidence to fill volumes upon volumes of books. Creationism has none, unless you count a few passages in a book written by ancient desert dwelling nomads who were likely being driven mad by the heat back when less than one percent of the population had enough education to think otherwise. The bible is not and cannot be infallible. A book that contradicts itself and even has entire chapters removed cannot be gospel even if it did indeed come from some malevolent deity. If people should be presented with both sides, why don't you ask your preacher to teach his congregation Satanism or Paganism? Hell, teach everything from Sufism to Confucianism. Education is about learning things that are factual or backed up by evidence. Creationism is neither.
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