Is AA full of it?

Alcoholism is definitely a big problem, but is giving people the excuse that they're "powerless" really the right thing to do?

Posted By dealtwith on September 7, 2007

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eh, whatever..

Alcoholic_afraid_of_life

People don't start off powerless, but they can get there eventually.

Posted By dealtwith on September 7, 2007

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Alcoholism is a self inflicted illness

Posted By jhall85 on September 22, 2007

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Go to a Meeting

Posted By korin on September 10, 2007

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AA switches your addiction from alcohol to the AA meetings.

Posted By lindsayloo14 on September 10, 2007

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AA might be more a crutch for most people than anything.

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The Orange Papers

-- Posted By Mike81069 on July 24, 2008

This site has a lot of insight about AA and how they work. They lie among other things.

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Penn and Teller did a great show on AA. Even showing that there "success" rate is a lie, and oddly, well guarded secret.

Success rate? 17%

Not very good for a supposedly successful organization. Esp. one that is sanctioned by courts across this country and forced upon people through said court system.
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Peejay

Another maintenance program keeping people hindered from growth

-- Posted By PeeJay on April 7, 2008

The problem with AA is the same with any other step program that forces a member to "maintain" their "addiction", etc. There are better ways to changing and growing. Any system that makes members continue to rant about "being" a certain way, demeans their humanity by labeling them for life.

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AA switches your addiction from alcohol to the AA meetings.

-- Posted By lindsayloo14 on September 10, 2007

AA meetings provide great encouragement and great support for alcoholics. But they fail to release the addicts from ALL addictions. The addicts are unable to feel supported and strong without the meetings.

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Alcoholism is a self inflicted illness

-- Posted By jhall85 on September 22, 2007

its not like people were born like that. a series of poor choices and bad lifestyles lead people into the pit of alcoholism. AA might help some people stop drinking but i think their methods are borderline cultish.

i believe that some people are legitimately powerless, but they make you profess that you are powerless and that your only saving grace is a higher power. they basically force a new religion down the throat of helpless people. .

I agree, there is a lot in AA meetings that reflect certain religious views. I think that in a way that is propagandizing those religions and that sould not be allowed. .

People should feel that they are in control WHEN they are in control. The thing is, people are ALWAYS free to make a correct choice. They are simply too lazy to do it. AA meetings possibly take that responsibility away from them at times. Still, there is SOME good in those meetings I would think.
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Alcoholic_afraid_of_life

People don't start off powerless, but they can get there eventually.

-- Posted By dealtwith on September 7, 2007

A lot of AA'ers would have you believe that if you're an alcoholic, you're always powerless before alcohol, even in the early stages. I say that there are plenty of times when you have complete control, and you only become powerless at very advanced stages.

AA is truly effective, and shouldn't be bad-mouthed.

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AA is like any other placebo people feed themselves to get through the day.

-- Posted By turtlegirl78 on September 7, 2007

People who fall to such a weakness need something or someone to follow. If AA does it for them, who cares about the why? I would prefer to have someone that has to get their strength from others than an alcoholic on the road. But more than giving them the strength to admit the problem and face it, there is a support structure there that a normal, none alcoholic person might not be able to provide.

While this may be true, I think that placing too much of one's decision making in the hands of their AA meetings may lead to others problems down the road. For fixing the current addiction, i guess it works, every crisis is different I guess.
If it were that simple, I'd agree with you. When it has become the default system for court systems as a "treatment method", I have three problems with it.

First, AA has a VERY low success rate.

Second, it is a religious based organization.

Third, it's basically just substituting one "drug" for another. That's NOT "fixing" a problem, instead, it's treating the symptom and not the real source.
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Go to a Meeting

-- Posted By korin on September 10, 2007

Anyone that has ever been to an AA meeting should know this.

In meetings, people admit that they were powerless over their addiction. That does not mean that they are powerless before alcohol, or that they have to remain powerless over their addiction. It is simply a confession of helplessness before. That helplessness does not have to remain; AA is there to help.

AA teaches addicts a new way to live. A new way to cope with issues that does not involve alcohol. Not all addicts attend the same number of meetings, and they don't have to go to meetings to stay sober. It's just nice to know that you have a support group when you need it. When things get tough, there are people there to help.

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Two heads are better than one, after all...

-- Posted By turtlegirl78 on September 7, 2007

What we also need to remember is that not only do these people get support, but they also have someone that is empathetic to their plight. . And there is a certain knowledge and strength that comes from this interaction that can't be obtained through many other means. .

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AA is a program of recovery

-- Posted By Roobarb on September 10, 2007

Alcoholism is an illness, it isn't drinking to cope with life's stresses. An alcoholic has a compulsion to drink and is then unable to stop. The AA program of recovery gives an alcoholic a way to learn how the illness operates as well as a way to recover from the compulsion. Far from being weak-willed, many alcoholics are in fact determined, devious and persistent, yet plagued by the feeling of weakness in the face of failure to control their drinking. By following a simple program, any alcoholic who truly wishes to stop drinking can achieve and maintain sobriety by identifying and then addressing the underlying illness. Having recovered from the compulsion, the illness arrested, the recovered alcoholic can then pass this message of recovery at meetings to other suffering alcoholics; helping others is a fundamental way to maintain sobriety. This means that far from relying on meetings to stay sober, the meeting is now a way to give back what was given freely. Recovery. A suffering alcoholic has a mental obsession to take the first drink. This is powerless. The program of recovery gives a defence, so a recovered alcoholic need not be powerless. Alcoholism is not the same as heavy drinking. Only another alcoholic can fully understand the despair the illness brings. Only an alcoholic can truly help another alcoholic to recover through understanding. This is what the fellowship of AA gives. This is my experience.

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